they might even be moderated like people like sean hannity and rush limbaugh. this is not -- the primary process is not one that drags out moderates to pick a presidential candidate. i mean, look, i agree that chris christie, when you look at the sheer spectrum of him, is not a moderate. >> no. he's a conservative. >> but in this process as a moderate, he will get eaten alive but the republican party is not in danger of electing or nominating a moderate in this process. >> moderate is now defined and let's -- i'll give you the last word on this and move on. moderate is now defined by some people on the hard right as simply hating barack obama. newt gingrich said, charles krauthammer said on the government shutdown idea, as scott walker has said, as other fire brand conservatives have said, we can't be defined by what we're not. we have to be defined by what we believe and what we are. >> i think robert is slightly wrong. he's right about the makeup of the general primary voter. >> right. >> but chris christie in a field of five, doesn't have to get more than 31